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Originally Posted by igrowyourbiz

since this is going to run on win2k3

it would make more sense to use ms technologies

msSQL, ASP.NET (at worse asp), maybe even xml

although php and mysql can run on win2003 - you will have limitiations, especially if you are using cronjobs and .htaccess etc.

Ahh i see, well I dont have experience with ASP.NET so I guess it dont matter then.

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[Optimal]

Originally Posted by igrowyourbiz

since this is going to run on win2k3

it would make more sense to use ms technologies

msSQL, ASP.NET (at worse asp), maybe even xml

although php and mysql can run on win2003 - you will have limitiations, especially if you are using cronjobs and .htaccess etc.

Your wrong.

ASP is not, by any means more powerfull than PHP and MySQL. You will not have any limitations using PHP & MySQL over ASP and msSQL, except the fact that PHP is open source, as is MySQL, aka: more updates, faster, and more support (a community).

Cronjobs and .htaccess have no dependency on php or asp. Also, if you are attempting to launch something along the lines of MySpace you might want to invest in linux servers. more stability, and WAY more suited for a server environment. Dont let the gui fool you, win server is weak compared to its linux competitors.

Just a few words of advice from a long time site operator .

[igrowyourbiz]

Originally Posted by Optimal

Your wrong.

ASP is not, by any means more powerfull than PHP and MySQL. You will not have any limitations using PHP & MySQL over ASP and msSQL, except the fact that PHP is open source, as is MySQL, aka: more updates, faster, and more support (a community).

Cronjobs and .htaccess have no dependency on php or asp. Also, if you are attempting to launch something along the lines of MySpace you might want to invest in linux servers. more stability, and WAY more suited for a server environment. Dont let the gui fool you, win server is weak compared to its linux competitors.

Just a few words of advice from a long time site operator .

wouldnt be the first time i was wrong, and definitely not the last

but asp classic and asp.net are two different things, and because asp.net is 100% object orient versus the flat/linear nature of php, i would say its my preference as far as power is concerned.

and how often does Windows use cronjobs??? why would it.



I would actually prefer ruby, but that probably is not gonna happen.

And despite the "community" in php -- i have found that its difficult to find GOOD coders. Plenty of coders, but not many "good" ones. Im sure there are plenty who feel otherwise, but thats my opinion, please keep your flames to yourself guys.

And as someone who has been a project lead developer for 15 years, I am going to say - I will take windows any day over *nix.

This could be the very reason why MYSPACE is switching to ASP.NET and using IIS.

it sounds like your experience is all in *nix. Maybe your response would be different if you did the other technologies too, I really dont like php at all for a growing project

but again, as you say php and mysql can run on windows, but well, the fact is, your trying to convince me to change my servers to unix is evidence you would not be able to complete the task to my specifications.

If I own servers, why would i get new ones just to please a coders preference????

anyway - thanks alot for your offer, but as stated before it needs to run EFFECTIVELY on win2k3 -- anti-windows coders need not apply.

thanks for your time

[Optimal]

Originally Posted by igrowyourbiz

wouldnt be the first time i was wrong, and definitely not the last

but asp classic and asp.net are two different things, and because asp.net is 100% object orient versus the flat/linear nature of php, i would say its my preference as far as power is concerned.

and how often does Windows use cronjobs??? why would it.



I would actually prefer ruby, but that probably is not gonna happen.

And despite the "community" in php -- i have found that its difficult to find GOOD coders. Plenty of coders, but not many "good" ones. Im sure there are plenty who feel otherwise, but thats my opinion, please keep your flames to yourself guys.

And as someone who has been a project lead developer for 15 years, I am going to say - I will take windows any day over *nix.

This could be the very reason why MYSPACE is switching to ASP.NET and using IIS.

it sounds like your experience is all in *nix. Maybe your response would be different if you did the other technologies too, I really dont like php at all for a growing project

but again, as you say php and mysql can run on windows, but well, the fact is, your trying to convince me to change my servers to unix is evidence you would not be able to complete the task to my specifications.

If I own servers, why would i get new ones just to please a coders preference????

anyway - thanks alot for your offer, but as stated before it needs to run EFFECTIVELY on win2k3 -- anti-windows coders need not apply.

thanks for your time

Im not an Anti-Windows coder . I'll code for both Windows servers and Linux servers, however; from all websites i've owned (imageshack anybody?) i've never seen windows out perform Linux once, period.

Have you given AJAX a go?

Also, I am not trying to be considered for your project cause I dont have time for that, but rather trying to give you some experienced opinions.

is evidence you would not be able to complete the task to my specifications.

So now because I prefer using Putty over GUI I am not able to complete your task, even though you've not the slightest idea of my abilities.... sweet.

and how often does Windows use cronjobs??? why would it.

I dont know, you're the one that said it.

especially if you are using cronjobs and .htaccess etc.

:x.

You're basicly saying that "you're a linux developer and dont know what you're doing", but at the same time saying your a windows user who would never open up to the world of open source.

And have you checked Devshed.com in recent history? Thousands of excellent coders that could pull off a myspace script with ease. What about php.net?

I think you're just not allowing yourself to open up to possibilities. I dont want to get into a Linux v. Winblows or PHP v. ASP battle, since its up to you but from experience (being a developer) I would rather develop a website using PHP and MySQL, and have thousands of community members to ask questions to, than a few communities and microsoft..

Have fun with your script, though .

[igrowyourbiz]

winblows? and your not anti-windows


I dont like open source, linux or php --- linux is free only if you do not value your time.

look at major portal sites, look who use winblows as you so quaintly put it, and look at who uses php. nuff said

bottom line, if your not being considered for doing this project -- why are you here?

keep your windows flames to yourself!

please do not post on this thread unless you inted to bid on this job

thanks in advance

[End User]

Originally Posted by igrowyourbiz

since this is going to run on win2k3

Why limit yourself to an inferior platform? You'd be better off with LAMP- lower cost, higher reliability, and more capability than a Windows platform.

[igrowyourbiz]

in the end due to bad coding practices, poor perfomance, inablilaty to meet deadlines, poor scaleability

the couple hundred dollars I pay to be on windows, and to have TRAINED AND CERTIFIED developers is infinitely less expensive than a "community" of hobbyists.

Considering I make my living off windows technologies, I am not apt to switch to the "free" or "opensource" anything unless its ruby.


Ajax is a consideration, again, finding good, reliable coders is difficult.

again -keeping this on post -- funny how myspace.com is most likely the most load heavy site on the net today (next to yahoo groups) and instead of using this great opensource/community php/unix stuff you guys are selling is now using asp.net and IIS... isnt it?

[igrowyourbiz]

Many Fortune 500 companies "limit" themselves to windows, I will stick with the guys making money, rather than the guys who do it as a hobby.

the top 6 domains in terms of page-views in February according to Media Metrix were:

1) Yahoo, 2) MySpace, 3) MSN, 4) Ebay, 5) Google, and 6) Hotmail.

P.S. 3 of the top 6 sites (MySpace, MSN, and Hotmail) run on IIS and Windows.

P.P.S. the other 3 sites (Yahoo, Google and Ebay use microsoft technology for parts of thier sites!)

[igrowyourbiz]

I found an "open source" myspace script - from what i found on the net, its not worth anything until "alicia" which is supposed to be released april 20 - but in 1963????

Someone had problems installing (seems the case with EVERY PHP SCRIPT) and he was bashed for having problems.

yes, really "helpful" community indeed...

I will stick with the "winblows" stuff. I know it works.


PHPizabi Generation 8 - 100% Open Source
Sat, 20 Apr 1963 09:55:12 -0500



In an effort to reach a larger global market with less end user restrictions, the PHPizabi team is pleased to announce that all future releases of PHPizabi, starting with Generation 8 "Alicia", will be 100% open source. No longer will any part of the core software be encrypted, 100% of the software will be customizable.




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Plejadia, 03/29/2006 04:36 AM
hmm... the article was seemingly posted on Sat, 20 Apr 1963 09:55:12 -0500, so I guess we will have to wait a bit longer... or we might have missed the release already back in the 80s... ;-)) But - sure - I would love to have a release date as well!

romuald, 03/29/2006 09:05 AM
One often says that on average one is needed fifty of years to carry out a good project - the advertisement of the exit of Alicia was made on April 20, 1963, that brings back for us to April 20, 2003. If one counts (always) on average between 3 and 10 years to correct the bugs, that us reference in 2013. They are in times, there is still margin. It is enough to be patient it is all !!

jello, 03/30/2006 01:03 PM
Cant wait for this!!!!!

dfulgi, 03/30/2006 07:50 PM
dfulgi I can't wait

wsx2005, 03/30/2006 10:40 PM
Finally! I never would have considered using PHPIzabi with the encryption.

MBB, 04/03/2006 06:28 AM
This is great. I downloaded and installed the current version but can't get passed the 404 and 505 errors no matter what I do. Since it's not even working correctly before I've even gotten a chance to really test the script, I consider the current version an inoperable script. I do hope the new release can at least eliminate permission problems. (yes I have followed permission problem suggestions in the install and on the forum, when I eliminate one, I get another one. Never had this problem with other scripts) But from what I can see from other sites, looks like it would be a nice script and I will definitely try the new one.

jello, 04/03/2006 12:26 PM
why would you post somthing like that here... fo to the forums before you start bad mouthing the software. chances are that your problem is user error not PHPizabi... look a little further and im sure your install will go smooth. but user error is about 99% of the problem most cases.

amaciel, 04/04/2006 12:15 AM
Alicia on 20th april? I really can't wait... I am looking forward to use What I hope will be a state-of-the-art piece of software.

MBB, 04/05/2006 03:54 AM
Every heard of free speech Jello? And please do learn the difference between constructive information and bad mouthing. I started my post saying "This is great." And I meant it. I also concluded how I would wait for the Alicia release. Which means that I do support this script and it's developers. Please do learn to control your emotions. Just because someone makes an honest comment about something doesn't mean they are disrespecting it. And it was not a user error, there are issue with this script and permissions. I was able to get it to work but the permissions I had to set were not what was recommended or suggested anywhere. That's ok. It happens. And I will be more careful about the way I word things, In re-reading my post, I can see how it may have been taken as "hostile". But I assure you, it was not meant to be. Thanks.

jello, 04/06/2006 11:10 AM
Dude if you think thats hostile then...... and like i said user error.... thats what it was.... premissions = user error. My emotions are under control not to worry. you posted your remark in the wrong area. When someone gives you somthing for free and you the user does not know how to install it because of premission = user error. you should not say anything if you have nothing good to say, take it to the forums if you have a issue. You say that this version is a inoperable script. so my point is made... user error. you bag on the software because you dont have the knowledge to install it. i understand. it's ok not to know everything but to claim that the software inoperable is a diss on the developers. this software runs smooth on both of my dedicated servers. so what im trying to say is ask before you make such claims.. thats all so just relax.

admin, 04/10/2006 11:20 PM
MBB / Jello - I'm sorry guys, this is just not the right place to debate , please use the forum. Thanks for defending us, but I guess you both understand we can't keep that "mess" showing up right here on the portal. I will delete the fight-posts tomorrow night - continue on the forum if you like! Peace - R!.